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Quote rattle Replybullet Topic: Head gaskets
    Posted: 05/Mar/2010 at 6:08pm
I bought and fitted new head gaskets from granby for my 400e.Now I,ve been told that there may be two types originally 1mm thick and now 0.5 mm thick are sold by yamaha ?
Secondly what is the squish band to piston clearance .The engine turns over ok (cold) but its been modified .Want to make sure nothing nasty happens when I start it. Thanks
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Quote billy Replybullet Posted: 05/Mar/2010 at 6:30pm
Sqiush clearance is generally 0.9mm
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Quote rattle Replybullet Posted: 05/Mar/2010 at 9:45pm
Thanks Billy I used 1.22mm soldering wire to check clearance and it looks under 0.9mm so ill be off to the shops in the morning for a micrometer
Anybody no about the head gasket thickness and can you reuse old ones by reheating them
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Quote billy Replybullet Posted: 05/Mar/2010 at 9:56pm
Stick them in the fire Steve when your misses isn't looking. The flame anneals them so that you can use them again. Apparently you can only do it two or three times though. I have come across the two different thicknesses of gasket as well.
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Quote rattle Replybullet Posted: 05/Mar/2010 at 9:59pm
Great got a bag full of 25 year old used gaskets .You no this is gonna end in tears,maybe ill go up the pub
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Quote Panuno Replybullet Posted: 06/Mar/2010 at 8:27am

You can anneal copper very easily by getting it red hot then quenching it in cold water. Unlike carbon steel where doing this will harden it, it actually softens the copper.

You can also take some of the work-hardening out of stainless steel in the same way.
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Quote rattle Replybullet Posted: 06/Mar/2010 at 3:11pm
Thanks to both off you any Idea if the gasket thickness changed over the years
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Quote Arrow Replybullet Posted: 06/Mar/2010 at 6:40pm
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Thanks to both off you any Idea if the gasket thickness changed over the years


I would also like to know the answer to that, as I have just changed ONE of them !
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Quote Yam3&arthur Replybullet Posted: 06/Mar/2010 at 7:48pm
there are lots of people far more knowledgable than me who say the rate of cooling is immaterial and doesnt affect the softness of the copper.
i always dunked them.
also youre not supposed to do it more than 3 times.
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Quote mech73 Replybullet Posted: 07/Mar/2010 at 5:38pm
The rate of cooling doesn't affect the annealing process of copper, but it does flake off the oxide layer that will have formed, giving a cleaner surface.
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Quote rattle Replybullet Posted: 07/Mar/2010 at 6:30pm
I just looked in the tech section and dale alexander in part 2 of the art of squishing says "the C-D-E series gasket was simply a .020" sheet of copper" converted into metric 0.51mm .The original owner of my rd told me the gaskets were 1mm.Im of to sfbrains to get a micrometer see if I can find one of my ancient gaskets to take
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Quote HINGED_BAP Replybullet Posted: 07/Mar/2010 at 7:23pm
curiosity, why did yamaha do .5 and 1 mm gaskets, presumably the barrels are the same height and teh base gasket is teh same ?
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Quote Yam3&arthur Replybullet Posted: 07/Mar/2010 at 9:33pm
my rd 350 is 1mm.
i am sure when i had my 400 ages ago you could get ally gaskets. really thin.
thinner gasket = more compression = more power (usually)
plus = less squish band = better cooling of piston and more power.
as long as your barrels and/or heads havent been machined that much that your pistons are close to hitting your heads.
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Quote rattle Replybullet Posted: 07/Mar/2010 at 9:36pm
Don,t ask me I think some ones been giving me wrong info ,I just put a micrometer (thanks steve) on my very old gasket and would you believe it 0.20 just like dale alexander said .Ill be having a word with some one tommorow two sizes my arse.Still It got me to check my squish clearance so far so good.
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Quote cargers Replybullet Posted: 10/Mar/2010 at 10:06pm
When I set the squish clearance to 0.9mm on my 350B I did not check the cylinder head volume and so the compression ratio was too high. Result one piston with a see through top crown.
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Quote old rd user Replybullet Posted: 10/Mar/2010 at 10:27pm
this is what i know about rd400 heads and gaskets i hope it makes sense
rd 400 c/d use a 1mm gasket and if you look at the head you would swear it has been skimmed as there is no defined squish or recess in top of head
400 e/f use a 0.5mm gasket and have a defined squish area or recess in head
so i would guess the more defined squish area lost a bit of compression hence the thinner gasket
these are only my views on the subject and i could be wrong

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Quote Yam3&arthur Replybullet Posted: 10/Mar/2010 at 11:08pm
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When I set the squish clearance to 0.9mm on my 350B I did not check the cylinder head volume and so the compression ratio was too high. Result one piston with a see through top crown.
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i cannot get my squish down to below 1mm unless i attack my barrels. the piston is 1mm from top of barrel at tdc.
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Quote billy Replybullet Posted: 11/Mar/2010 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by old rd user

this is what i know about rd400 heads and gaskets i hope it makes sense
rd 400 c/d use a 1mm gasket and if you look at the head you would swear it has been skimmed as there is no defined squish or recess in top of head
400 e/f use a 0.5mm gasket and have a defined squish area or recess in head
so i would guess the more defined squish area lost a bit of compression hence the thinner gasket
these are only my views on the subject and i could be wrong


I never knew that - thanks for some very helpful info.
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Quote cargers Replybullet Posted: 11/Mar/2010 at 11:51pm
I am running genuine Yamaha pistons (dykes ring type)in my 350 engine and the top of the pistons sit virtually flush with the top face of the barrels. I have to have base gaskets fitted or else the pistons sit too high up.On my 250 motor i have to remove the base gaskets to get a decent squish clearance
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Quote Yam3&arthur Replybullet Posted: 12/Mar/2010 at 7:10pm
Originally posted by cargers

I am running genuine Yamaha pistons (dykes ring type)in my 350 engine and the top of the pistons sit virtually flush with the top face of the barrels. I have to have base gaskets fitted or else the pistons sit too high up.On my 250 motor i have to remove the base gaskets to get a decent squish clearance
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never thought of removing the base gasket.
i know now.
ive just filed the lip off my 350 barrel this evening and then lapped the head to the barrel. i can now use rd400 gaskets and ive got a 0.5mm gasket to get my squish down to under a mm.
i too have got dykes ringed pistons and mine were almost a mm below the top of the barrel
the acid test is to check with modelling clay and solder.

ian what sort of squish clearance do you aim for?
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