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rattle
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![]() Topic: Head gasketsPosted: 05/Mar/2010 at 6:08pm |
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I bought and fitted new head gaskets from granby for my 400e.Now I,ve been told that there may be two types originally 1mm thick and now 0.5 mm thick are sold by yamaha ?
Secondly what is the squish band to piston clearance .The engine turns over ok (cold) but its been modified .Want to make sure nothing nasty happens when I start it. Thanks |
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billy
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![]() Posted: 05/Mar/2010 at 6:30pm |
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Sqiush clearance is generally 0.9mm
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rattle
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![]() Posted: 05/Mar/2010 at 9:45pm |
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Thanks Billy I used 1.22mm soldering wire to check clearance and it looks under 0.9mm so ill be off to the shops in the morning for a micrometer
Anybody no about the head gasket thickness and can you reuse old ones by reheating them |
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billy
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![]() Posted: 05/Mar/2010 at 9:56pm |
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Stick them in the fire Steve when your misses isn't looking. The flame anneals them so that you can use them again. Apparently you can only do it two or three times though. I have come across the two different thicknesses of gasket as well.
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rattle
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![]() Posted: 05/Mar/2010 at 9:59pm |
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Great got a bag full of 25 year old used gaskets .You no this is gonna end in tears,maybe ill go up the pub
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Panuno
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![]() Posted: 06/Mar/2010 at 8:27am |
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You can anneal copper very easily by getting it red hot then quenching it in cold water. Unlike carbon steel where doing this will harden it, it actually softens the copper. You can also take some of the work-hardening out of stainless steel in the same way. |
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rattle
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![]() Posted: 06/Mar/2010 at 3:11pm |
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Thanks to both off you any Idea if the gasket thickness changed over the years
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Arrow
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![]() Posted: 06/Mar/2010 at 6:40pm |
I would also like to know the answer to that, as I have just changed ONE of them ! |
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Yam3&arthur
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![]() Posted: 06/Mar/2010 at 7:48pm |
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there are lots of people far more knowledgable than me who say the rate of cooling is immaterial and doesnt affect the softness of the copper.
i always dunked them. also youre not supposed to do it more than 3 times. yeah right!!! |
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mech73
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![]() Posted: 07/Mar/2010 at 5:38pm |
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The rate of cooling doesn't affect the annealing process of copper, but it does flake off the oxide layer that will have formed, giving a cleaner surface.
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rattle
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I just looked in the tech section and dale alexander in part 2 of the art of squishing says "the C-D-E series gasket was simply a .020" sheet of copper" converted into metric 0.51mm .The original owner of my rd told me the gaskets were 1mm.Im of to sfbrains to get a micrometer see if I can find one of my ancient gaskets to take
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HINGED_BAP
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![]() Posted: 07/Mar/2010 at 7:23pm |
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curiosity, why did yamaha do .5 and 1 mm gaskets, presumably the barrels are the same height and teh base gasket is teh same ?
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Yam3&arthur
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![]() Posted: 07/Mar/2010 at 9:33pm |
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my rd 350 is 1mm.
i am sure when i had my 400 ages ago you could get ally gaskets. really thin. thinner gasket = more compression = more power (usually) plus = less squish band = better cooling of piston and more power. as long as your barrels and/or heads havent been machined that much that your pistons are close to hitting your heads. |
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rattle
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![]() Posted: 07/Mar/2010 at 9:36pm |
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Don,t ask me I think some ones been giving me wrong info ,I just put a micrometer (thanks steve) on my very old gasket and would you believe it 0.20 just like dale alexander said .Ill be having a word with some one tommorow two sizes my arse.Still It got me to check my squish clearance so far so good.
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cargers
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When I set the squish clearance to 0.9mm on my 350B I did not check the cylinder head volume and so the compression ratio was too high. Result one piston with a see through top crown.
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![]() Posted: 10/Mar/2010 at 10:27pm |
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this is what i know about rd400 heads and gaskets i hope it makes sense
rd 400 c/d use a 1mm gasket and if you look at the head you would swear it has been skimmed as there is no defined squish or recess in top of head 400 e/f use a 0.5mm gasket and have a defined squish area or recess in head so i would guess the more defined squish area lost a bit of compression hence the thinner gasket these are only my views on the subject and i could be wrong
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Yam3&arthur
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![]() Posted: 10/Mar/2010 at 11:08pm |
i cannot get my squish down to below 1mm unless i attack my barrels. the piston is 1mm from top of barrel at tdc.
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billy
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![]() Posted: 11/Mar/2010 at 12:45pm |
I never knew that - thanks for some very helpful info. |
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cargers
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I am running genuine Yamaha pistons (dykes ring type)in my 350 engine and the top of the pistons sit virtually flush with the top face of the barrels. I have to have base gaskets fitted or else the pistons sit too high up.On my 250 motor i have to remove the base gaskets to get a decent squish clearance
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Yam3&arthur
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![]() Posted: 12/Mar/2010 at 7:10pm |
never thought of removing the base gasket.
i know now. ive just filed the lip off my 350 barrel this evening and then lapped the head to the barrel. i can now use rd400 gaskets and ive got a 0.5mm gasket to get my squish down to under a mm. i too have got dykes ringed pistons and mine were almost a mm below the top of the barrel the acid test is to check with modelling clay and solder. ian what sort of squish clearance do you aim for? |
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